obama it is we day they are both completely disingenuous about this. the voucher plan will cost people seriously, as a move down the road in terms of services. at least as it is now formulated. there is no way we can continue to spend what we spend now on medicare without some serious challenges, not just tweaking. >> jonathan? >> romney says that the president will still $716 billion from medicare. is that accurate? >> it is in terms of what they're projecting over the years, reducing costs from medicare to make obamacare neutral. what he does not mention is paul ryan made the same projections for his original plan, but needed is right. both of these candidates are not being totally straight with the voters. president obama goes after romney and ryan in the way that the democrats always go after the gop when it comes to entitlements, but as we know, last summer, president obama was having to make changes to medicare in exchange to getting a grand bargain. if he is reelected, he will have to go back to the table, and i'm sure the same question will be